Navigating Grief and Discovering Joy in Everyday Life with Christine Passo

Summary

In this episode, I'm joined by my friend Christine Passo and we get real about grief and finding peace and clarity in everyday moments. We reflect on our own experiences with grief and the need for more open conversations about loss and the various forms of grief.

We explore the power of mindfulness and staying present in the face of grief and life's challenges. We talk about breaking the stigma around grief and create spaces for people to share their experiences and finding joy when it feels like there is none. 

Takeaways

• Living a fulfilling life involves finding peace and clarity in everyday moments.
• Grief comes in various forms and can be experienced in response to different types of loss.
• Validation and holding space for others who are grieving is important.
• Self-awareness and self-care are crucial in navigating emotions and grief.
• Mindfulness and staying present can help in processing grief and life's challenges. Create spaces for people to talk about their grief and share their experiences.
• Break the stigma around grief and allow people to feel their emotions without judgment.
• Find tools and support groups to navigate different types of grief.
• Be present in the moment and learn from children and animals.
• Honor and celebrate the lives of loved ones who have passed away.

Chapters

00:00
Introduction and Living Well

07:21
The Complexities of Grief

12:59
Honoring and Validating Feelings

19:12
The Role of Mindfulness in Grief

23:41
Creating Space for Open Conversations About Grief

29:27
Navigating Grief: Acknowledging and Accepting

31:59
The Importance of Listening and Sharing

35:35
Tools and Resources for Healing

39:26
Honoring Significant Dates and Memories

44:46
Living in the Present: Finding Joy in Everyday Experiences


About the Guest:
Christine Passo is a 4x Certified Life and Support Coach. After 20 years of succeeding in Marketing and Advertising, she walked away from it all to fully rebuild herself. She realized she wasn't living her passion to be of strong impact nor did she notice her worthiness or purpose. She realized the trauma and life choices she’d made built up as unresolved grief and recognized how many other women told similar stories. 

Christine is dedicated to providing support and transformation coaching to women in their 40’s and 50’s to guide them through the grief that holds them back from living the lives they desperately seek. 

Connect with Christine:
Website - https://christinepasso.com/
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/christine-passo-665a70a/ 

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Transcript

Corean Canty (00:01.454)
Hello, hello, hello, Christine. Welcome to the Remember to Live podcast.

Christine Passo (00:05.814)
Hello, Corean Thank you so, so much for having me. I mean, to be in your space at any time is always fantastic, but to do this and have this special conversation, wow. I mean, I've been looking forward to it since we planned it.

Corean Canty (00:20.31)
Yes, me too. mean, we have very similar backgrounds in terms of career and life choices and the work we're doing now. And we always have like these really great profound conversations. So I'm excited to bring other people in on one of our conversations today and talk about a topic that I think is something that we're all going to experience that's going to be just part of life's journey. And that maybe we don't talk about enough. Yeah.

Christine Passo (00:47.272)
Yeah, I agree. I agree. And listen, we can't forget to recognize that we're both Capricorns. I mean, this is vital to our entire conversation. Yes.

Corean Canty (00:52.046)
Yes, we are. We definitely are.

Corean Canty (00:59.768)
That's why we get each other so much. Yes, I love that. So the question I always start with, with all of my guests is, how do you live a life and how do you live one well?

Christine Passo (01:16.5)
You know, I thought about this and my first instinct was to say, if you asked me this five years ago, Christine, five years ago, so what? 2019, which feels like forever ago, because now we're talking pre -COVID, right? I mean, that's like BC in a whole other universe. But if you had asked me five years ago, my response would have been suffer through the Monday through Friday.

Corean Canty (01:31.704)
Yeah, that's the before times.

Corean Canty (01:37.058)
Yes.

Christine Passo (01:45.682)
find peace on the weekends and make sure you always have a lavish trip planned that you already know what's coming so that you can bond and find clarity in your life. That's what I would have said then. Now, which just breaks my heart, but I'm so glad also to be on the other side of that. And so now I would say, find peace and clarity in your every day, right? It's like,

Corean Canty (01:58.488)
Mmm. Mm -hmm.

Christine Passo (02:15.154)
When we don't have that, everything else is off balance, everything. And in that, it just becomes this natural vibe to, you don't need vacation's plan to feel that sense of purpose and to feel that sense of ambition and being a great person and connecting with really wonderful people.

Corean Canty (02:19.042)
Right, right.

Christine Passo (02:40.2)
You know, really the simplest response, which I could go much deeper into it, but is to find that clarity and peace in everything that surrounds you every single day.

Corean Canty (02:52.856)
Hmm. I still resonate with that. I remember the days of like making sure you had something on the calendar just to have something to look forward to. So you could like get up and just like go, go, go because one day and then getting there and actually not even taking the vacation, right? Like call it a vacation, but still work, not really do any downtime, not recharge, not rest. Come back needing a vacation from your vacation.

and then diving right back in feeling even more like behind than you were before. And so every day you just felt like you're behind. And so really learning how to find those nuggets and those pieces of joy and those moments of quiet and stillness every day, man, that makes such a difference.

Christine Passo (03:25.704)
Yes.

Christine Passo (03:34.76)
I mean, it's an absolute game changer, Corean. You know, it's funny, because I used to think, and this is what I used to tell myself, and I have a lot of clients that I work with that say the same things, which is, well, I just, I'm really looking forward to my vacation. I mean, it makes me happy. It makes me feel like I'm working towards something. I was like, but if you felt that way every day when you, what you're achieving to feel on your vacation, if you felt that every day,

Corean Canty (03:42.443)
Mm

Christine Passo (04:01.504)
you'd be able to plan a trip a month out. Like it wouldn't matter versus needing four or five, six months ahead of time to look forward to something because getting through the day is a struggle and we don't realize it, right? So like even then I convinced myself, well it's just who I am, right? It's just how my brain work. It's just how I work. I had no idea that deep down I was unhappy at work. There were things in my life that weren't making me happy. I wasn't happy within myself. And so,

Corean Canty (04:04.118)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Corean Canty (04:12.014)
Yeah. Yeah.

Corean Canty (04:17.272)
Mm -hmm, mm -hmm.

Corean Canty (04:24.718)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (04:31.206)
It's such a huge game changer to be on the other side of that. Unbelievable.

Corean Canty (04:38.062)
Yeah, because it's not only, well, we're both Capricorn, so the work ethic just comes with that, right? But also it's like we grew up in a time where like the hard work and the hustle is the badge of honor. Like, yeah, I didn't sleep last night. Like that's a good thing. Like, I had two hours sleep and I got so much done. And it's like, 20 years from now, your body's going to pay you back for this time that you're not paying any attention to it and not taking care of it.

Christine Passo (04:41.352)
Yes.

Christine Passo (04:52.956)
Yes.

Christine Passo (05:02.611)
Yes.

Christine Passo (05:06.984)
Yeah, absolutely. All these things we convince ourselves of, we have no clue until we get to that time and that space within ourself, that we can really just accept what we've said and go, who am I fooling? Right? But yeah, I remember back in the day, I mean..

Corean Canty (05:08.578)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (05:22.082)
Yeah, yeah.

Christine Passo (05:25.864)
you know, go out with friends on a Wednesday night and get up the next day and struggle through work, but be like, look at me, I only slept three hours because I was having fun, but I can, I can power through. There's nothing cool about that. There's just not.

Corean Canty (05:37.71)
No, no. And it's like, and as the years go by, your body reminds you that like, wait a minute, this is probably, I'm gonna show you this is not good for me anymore because for me, even if I stay up a few hours past my normal bedtime now, like I just feel it the next day. And I'm like, cause in my mind, right, I'm still 25. It's like, you know, I wake up, I'm still 25. I have the same best friends I've had all of my life and we still think we're...

Christine Passo (06:00.126)
Mm

Corean Canty (06:07.148)
just out of high school and still share out the stories, right? But there's like physical things and mental things and all the other things. That's a whole nother podcast that happens to us women as we get to our fourth or fifth decade that really reminds you that we've spent some time here. Yeah.

Christine Passo (06:25.8)
Yes. absolutely. And you know what? I think maybe this is just something I've come up with, but I feel like it's our time then to honor it, right? It's like our body is now forcibly creating this change. We have no control over it. And so, we then are given the opportunity to honor what we just went through, decades and decades. And...

Corean Canty (06:33.677)
Mm.

Corean Canty (06:45.773)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (06:51.308)
start anew, essentially, because it really is. mean, our body now is different. Our brains think differently. know, our hormones are creating different emotional spaces for us. And I mean, I'm clear on the other side of it now. I menopause, bye -bye. It's in my rear view mirror. Like, it's done. So I can say this now, but it's a journey. You know, being a human being on this earth,

Corean Canty (07:13.23)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (07:15.676)
And being a woman, cannot speak to being a male, because I'm a woman, but it's a constant journey. you know, there's no fighting it. There's no fighting it.

Corean Canty (07:25.004)
Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's a great segue into the topic that we wanted to really dig into a little bit today. As we get older, right? And as we see these changes, not only in our bodies, in our lives, the longer you live, you're going to start losing people. You're going to start losing things. You're going to start experiencing grief in many different ways. And I know I'm in the middle of really understanding that

anticipatory grief is a real thing, being a caretaker to my mother, being with her at this phase of life. But I experienced loss early. I lost my father when I was nine years old and I lost my best friend in my twenties. And so I've had this relationship with grief for a very long time. But for most of my life, I didn't really know what it was or what to do with it, especially experiencing it so young. And I know that this is a topic that we've

bonded over and had several conversations about and something we both feel we just don't talk enough about or hold enough space for.

Christine Passo (08:33.446)
We really don't and you know...

Christine Passo (08:39.57)
it's because there are so many varieties to grief, right? There are so many things that cause grief. You you mentioned anticipatory grief. Well, some of it you're not anticipating because you're already grieving that your mother is not the same. I mean, there is already grief happening and has been happening for you, for your mother, the relationship you used to have, the relationship she has with your kids, you know?

Corean Canty (08:55.32)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (09:00.685)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (09:06.885)
We don't even realize when we're going through this grief because we just think, we have to go through it. This is life. I have no choice. You are unable to change the condition of your mom right now. And so not only are you grieving her while she's on this earth, but then you're anticipating grieving her when she's gone. And it's like, how do you make sense of either of them or both of them at the same time?

Corean Canty (09:29.293)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (09:29.99)
I mean, it's so hard to do! And mean, it's interesting, because I can see that you almost look a little surprised that I even said that, that you're grieving right now. And it's like, my gosh, you're right, I am.

Corean Canty (09:43.043)
Mm

Corean Canty (09:48.33)
And I think in a weird way, those of us at least who have grown up in corporate and check the boxes and this very structured prescribed lives, when we experience a loss, we're like, okay, you have three days to go deal with that and then come back. And I think in a way that kind of teaches us that this is something that just happens for a couple of days and then you get over that. It's not a long -term thing that somehow magically you go,

take a little time with yourself and you just jump back into life. But that's just not the case.

Christine Passo (10:26.885)
No, it's not. And in fact, I'd love to share something with you that I wrote this morning. Just, I've been writing a lot about grief, I know we're going to get a little bit more into that, but...

Corean Canty (10:33.24)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (10:39.796)
Because I really wanted to paint a picture of what grief is, right? And like I mentioned before, there are varieties to grief. mean, grief, we grieve when we lose a job. We grieve when a relationship changes, know, divorce, health decline, loss of security. I mean, it goes on and on and on, right? But we tend to focus on grief that is paired with death, right? That kind of loss. So, but even still.

Corean Canty (10:55.618)
Yes, yeah.

Corean Canty (11:02.466)
Right. Yep.

Christine Passo (11:06.792)
When you lose somebody in your life to death, you are going to grieve differently for every single person because your connection to them is different, because your time on this earth and what you know about yourself and where you are emotionally is going to be different. Every single time you grieve, it's always going to change. It's never going to be the same. It's not comparable. It's not measurable. And so I was just, you know, kind of spitting around in my brain this morning and I thought, you know, I just have to get these words to paper. And so I'm going to

Corean Canty (11:24.568)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Christine Passo (11:36.658)
Share them if that's okay. So I say, I've written down that grief is an emotional loss of any kind. Grief is a divorce, health decline, financial change, relationship failure, loss of security or safety, death, and many more. Grief is unpredictable. Grief is an identity. It's obsessive and lazy. It's not enough sleep and way too much sleep. It's a burning throat from excessive crying.

Corean Canty (11:37.858)
Yeah, I'd love to hear it.

Christine Passo (12:06.428)
It's isolating. It's extremely isolating. It's a beautiful spring day and a category five hurricane. It's gratitude. It's a brain suffering from guilt and regret. It's love. It's forever love. It's love that will never stop hurting. And that's where I, you know, wrap that up, just as I'm trying to process my own stages as I go through this and

Corean Canty (12:24.406)
Mmm.

Christine Passo (12:35.88)
They continue to change. mean, it's based on the grief that you're experiencing from what the cause is, right? Of course, the longevity, it's all going to vary, and it's all unique to each person. And no matter what the most important thing that you can do, or if you are grieving any kind of an emotional loss, is to honor yourself. Honor.

what it is that you're feeling, and let it be okay, right? Lay on the sofa for a week if you have to. I mean, you we all have to take care of ourselves in the ways that matters the most. grief is hard. We do. We need to talk about it more, because it's all those things I just talked about, and most people don't consider that.

Corean Canty (13:20.288)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, and it can creep up on you. It's not necessarily the same thing every day, the same thing every week, month, year. I mean, the one thing I think I've learned the most at this phase in life with the different types of losses and as much life and transformation and change as I've experienced is I think at the core of grief, it's giving yourself the space, like you said, to honor.

the future that you thought was going to happen, that's not right. So whether it's a big loss, like someone that you love or a pet or a friend, or it's, that kind of loss, or it's just a life change, just something changed in your life. The person that you were right before that change had this vision of the future and it's shifted.

And we have to allow ourselves to grieve that vision, even for good changes, right? We can experience grief from a big positive change and wonder why we're feeling the way that we're feeling. It's because as humans, we tend to, you know, spend a lot of times in our head in the past and the future. And we have all of these ideas and these stories we tell ourselves about what tomorrow's going to look like. And when that doesn't line up, we have to shift. Like we have to give ourselves time.

for everything to shift in real line with this new reality. And that includes holding space for the moments you thought were gonna happen that you'll never get, good or bad. I realize, I mean, my father and I, when I was a child, I'm in my 40s now, but it'll be these little things, these little moments I might witness or these father daughter moments or these little moments watching my kids grow up that I recognize, the grief.

at this phase is no longer that like I miss my father because I haven't physically had him here with me for a very long time. I still think he's here with me, but I haven't had that physical, you know, 3D version of him. But it's, have to grieve these little moments I'm not going to get or these little moments I used to think about or imagine or thought that I would have and realize that, well, my moments are a little bit different and it's okay to be a little sad about that.

Christine Passo (15:41.074)
Yes, it is. In fact, what you're saying really resonates with a book that I finished reading a couple of weeks ago. It's called Living Untethered by Michael A. Singer.

Corean Canty (15:50.242)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Christine Passo (15:52.804)
And I'll tell you, I was listening to this book at such a pivotal time in my grieving. So I think I started listening to it a few weeks after my beloved, my array, my Sheltie, my fur baby, passed away unexpectedly. mean, completely unexpectedly. I mean, it was a total shock. And I was in like week five and a half of grieving and I was crying every day. I was really, really struggling. And I was listening to the book and he is in a chapter that he's talking about what

why we get ourselves all tangled up in not receiving the present, right? Because.. So, for instance..

My present right now is you. You are my present. I am staring right at you. But if I turn and I look out the window, well now I'm looking out the window at the car and I'm not focused on you anymore. Even though we're in this conversation still, I have lost it. So anytime we take a moment away from what is right in front of us, we're creating really a reality that isn't what we wanna be focusing on. And it made me realize that

Corean Canty (16:55.5)
Hmm.

Christine Passo (16:58.374)
All I wanted was Maya back. Everything was, I just want her back, I want her back. Which means today, the present. It's impossible. I mean, there isn't anything that can be done to bring my dog who has passed away into my present life. And it was like...

Corean Canty (17:05.923)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (17:14.354)
Okay, like I have to face that. I have to look at right now, my other dog, Zoe, is right in front of me. She deserves my attention. And so it just really created this sense of, you know, emotional movement for me and which I've carried through into other things in my life. I mean, I went out with Zoe today and I stayed present and I was looking at a bird and I started the, you know, like, and I'm thinking of all the sounds that are happening. And then I started thinking about a meeting.

Corean Canty (17:35.644)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (17:42.536)
And I said, and I pushed it away. said, that's not right in front of me right now. And it's amazing how much calmer I am. Anybody will feel when you're truly in that moment. And it just taught me something. So there in itself is a grief lesson, right? I mean, that's a grief lesson and we do it because we miss who is gone. We want them back. We will miss them forever. Period. That's never going to change.

Corean Canty (17:49.546)
Mm

Corean Canty (17:58.168)
Yeah. Yeah.

Corean Canty (18:03.992)
Mm

Corean Canty (18:07.382)
Yes. Yeah.

Christine Passo (18:10.974)
But grief is tricky. Like you said, it's unexpected and it'll bulldoze you. It'll bulldoze you. I mean, paying attention to it, you can't ignore it because it's not stopping.

Corean Canty (18:12.899)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (18:25.09)
Yeah. And I think one of the things that I've learned and I talk a lot about is the realization being on this journey with my mother that there is a such thing as too late. And like there will be a day when my mind and my body won't be able to do some of these things that I want to do. Won't be able to show up in the moment. Like not even show up in the moment because dementia is a very cruel disease. But

What you're talking about is mindfulness, right? And I've studied yoga and Ayurveda and meditation for a long time. And a lot of people can feel intimidated or feel like, can't, like meditation seems so hard. Even though meditation is a form of mindfulness, it's not like mindfulness comes in so many ways, but the key to it all is how you can recognize when you're not in the present and then bring yourself.

back to that moment and not get lost somewhere else, especially in this world of our phones and distraction and constantly taking us down this path of wherever, whatever's in our, and our device wants to take us. But it's these little, these little things, like you said, you don't have to have to sit still on a cushion for an hour to find your way or find your path or get relief. It's, I feel the breath in my lungs right now? Can I put my phone away?

Christine Passo (19:43.976)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (19:45.536)
and actually hear the birds outside. Can I notice that it's a beautiful sunny day? Can I just little teeny things that help us get into that state of gratitude and show up to the life that we're blessed to still live every day? Yeah.

Christine Passo (20:02.814)
Yeah. You I love that you said that because I've started something where I was mostly kind of meditating at night, right? I'm getting into bed, which is, my gosh. I mean, your brain can take you into horrible places when you get into bed at night, even though you're exhausted, right? And so, I've been doing that at night for quite some time. But I started doing, middle of the day, five -minute mantra practices.

Corean Canty (20:16.376)
Yes. Yes.

Christine Passo (20:30.118)
And I try to change it per week because I'm evolving every week. I learn something different every week, right? I mean, if my mantra stays the same, where am I going? Nowhere.

Corean Canty (20:35.192)
Yes.

Christine Passo (20:40.768)
And as we talked about before, you know, we started recording, talking about how the planets are kind of wacko right now. I mean, they're very active and it's creating a lot of emotion and, and motion, right? So it's creating emotion that is creating motion that within so many months, we're really supposed to see the results from.

Corean Canty (20:48.226)
Mm

Corean Canty (20:54.85)
Mm

Corean Canty (21:03.019)
Mm

Christine Passo (21:03.996)
And so I'm just kind of, you know, trying to balance emotion and motion. And I was like, you know what? This week, my mantra is I'm on an amazing journey. And, you know, I just said it and there's it's amazing how much positivity comes out of that. It's like, OK, it doesn't have to be stressful. can be an amazing journey that is going to take me somewhere. It's going to take somebody else somewhere. So that mindfulness and just just a few minutes.

Corean Canty (21:13.4)
Mm -hmm.

Corean Canty (21:25.816)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (21:33.724)
You know, every day, it really makes a huge difference. And I used to be one of those people, I'm like, can't meditate, I can't do it, my brain won't stop. It just takes practice, right? I mean, it just takes practice.

Corean Canty (21:34.531)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (21:43.074)
Mm

Yeah, I love that you give yourself a new mantra each week. I pull tarot cards every morning. I have a weekly affirmation, but I do have a default mantra. So on those weeks and on those days and in those moments when sometimes it just feels too hard, right? Like we all have those moments when it's just like, I don't want to get out of bed. I don't want to do it. It's not fair. I'm done. Like we have those moments because we're human. And so I remind myself and what I have like

written on, I have it written on a sticky note on my computer. have it in places in case I just need to see it. And it's just simple. It's okay. Just keep going. And I'll just get up and just say it in my head over. It's okay. Just keep going. It's okay. Just keep going. And just the simple keep going. It's as if

Christine Passo (22:22.77)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (22:28.818)
Yeah. Yeah.

Corean Canty (22:38.216)
All of my guides, all of my ancestors, all of the people that I've lost are behind it, right? Reminding me and pushing me forward.

Christine Passo (22:48.604)
And you know what? By saying it's okay, that's validation. That is so important. Like, I don't think, you know, kind of like with grief, we don't honor others that are grieving enough. We don't offer space. And I don't think we offer as much space to validation, too. Because when we help somebody to feel validated, when I feel validated, I immediately... the feeling of being isolated is gone. You know? I then feel like I belong. And...

Corean Canty (23:00.085)
Mm -hmm.

Mm.

Christine Passo (23:17.648)
we don't validate each other once, you know, enough. Instead, we argue, well, have you tried this instead? Right? We love to fix people. We'd love to offer these suggestions and create a different environment for them. Because of course, you know, we want to positive platitude everybody and make everything better. But you know what? We just need to honor where somebody is and that the power of validation in somebody's life is really heavy and super important.

Corean Canty (23:20.439)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (23:23.982)
you

Corean Canty (23:34.487)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (23:44.434)
And so I love that you validate yourself like that. I don't know if you've realized that you've done that, but that is so huge.

Corean Canty (23:50.402)
Yeah. And just saying that makes me think of just the reality of like, sometimes it's really hard to know what to say when someone else is hurting. And I think most of us do have that initial like, how can I make it better? Let me fix it. And it can be awkward. Sometimes we even avoid, right? Because we don't know what to say. And we don't know how to deal with the emotion from other people. And we're not trained, right? We're not, we don't learn these things. We don't learn how to...

deal with our emotions in a healthy way. We don't learn how to take the time for ourselves. We don't learn how to just sit and be with someone and let them know it's okay to feel what you're feeling right now and just hold space because we are like, and it's not, it's not a bad thing to want someone to feel better. But we've also always all been that person on the other end when you're feeling kind of way and you're just like, this is not, this is not helping me right now. Like everything you're saying is not helping me. It's just making it worse. And it's tricky because

Christine Passo (24:31.262)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (24:49.078)
We don't take the time to have these conversations enough because nobody really wants to talk about the things that lead to grief. Like we kind of want to avoid it. We kind of want to avoid the things that are uncomfortable and that are painful and pretend it's not going to happen or pretend it doesn't exist when the reality is like it's going to happen for all of us in some way, or form. So yeah. Yes.

Christine Passo (25:08.306)
Yeah, and it is happening. I mean, that's just it. It's like I wrote an article, it's on medium .com and it's called, Why are we uncomfortable in the face of grief? And it's not our own grief, it's everybody else's grief. And just like you said, we're not trained, we're not raised that way. In fact, our parents would be

Corean Canty (25:18.722)
Mm.

Corean Canty (25:22.796)
Yes.

Christine Passo (25:28.86)
devastated to know that by them raising us to always cheer people up, it's like, your friend was sad today. Did you try to cheer them up? know, they're trying to teach us to be good, to be good people and to help people through things. But they didn't realize that they, they're training us, right? They're raising us to be compassionless. That they're raising us to deny somebody's feelings and where they are.

Corean Canty (25:37.141)
Mm -hmm.

Corean Canty (25:52.556)
Hmm

Christine Passo (25:58.066)
because there's nothing worse than when you need support and you just kind of said this, that when you need support and somebody instead says, don't worry, tomorrow will be better. It's like, you know, the tail goes between the legs, the shoulders fall down, you know, and you're like, I'm never going to talk to that person about what I feel anymore because now I feel worse. And

Corean Canty (26:08.955)
Mm

Corean Canty (26:19.438)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (26:20.292)
It's such an important thing and we don't mean it. When people try to cheer each other up when somebody is sad, we don't intend to hurt their feelings or to be unhelpful. We just don't know. And that's where talking about it like we are today, like I write on LinkedIn, the more education, the better. The more self -awareness about what is right in front of us, the better.

Corean Canty (26:32.355)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (26:44.314)
And I think the self -awareness part is key because I think there's some of us were raised with that, like make everybody feel better type of, you family culture. Some of us were raised and we don't talk about it culture. Like, you bet. What is that a tear? No, we don't show people our emotions. We don't talk about it. We shove it under the rug. We get up and we do what we got to do. And I think that's just as damaging because

Even when we try to hold space for some people, we don't have the tools to allow ourselves to say, okay, you know, I'm really feeling this way. You know, I really, yeah, I'm not okay today. And that's okay. You know, I do need help. We don't know how to ask for help. And there's all these things that I just wish we were taught as children. We're not. And so now that we're adults and we're having to unlearn so much,

to learn how to navigate our emotions and how to navigate these things that come up in life and how to take care of ourselves and hold space for ourselves and grow through it. I think that that's why I appreciate that there are more people opening up, that there are more places for people to share and connect with other people. There's a lot of sometimes negative talk about what social media has done.

for us. But I also think about people who that's the only way they can find connection, that they're isolated and they may be able to, you know, find or follow that one person who is talking about the hard things and recognize like, I'm not the only one that feels this way. I'm not alone and get that little piece of hope or that little nugget or that little push to keep going that day.

Christine Passo (28:16.829)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (28:32.732)
Yeah. I mean, that's how you and I met. We met on LinkedIn. I mean, you know, we were connecting and messaging and commenting on posts and supporting one another months before we ever even had a call, right? So, you know, it is very important. You know, we all know that other side to social media, which, you know, is really kind of terrifying because it's also a false sense of, boy, I'm gonna say it, community in a way. You know, it's where somebody thinks

Corean Canty (28:35.362)
Yeah, we did.

Corean Canty (28:44.116)
Yeah, yeah.

Corean Canty (28:58.121)
Mm. Mm. Mm -hmm.

Christine Passo (29:01.628)
they belong, they feel like they belong, and then it takes maybe one comment that just kind of shuts them down. And that's why I mean, in person, these things might not happen. We're so much braver on social media than we are in person, right? But I wanted to mention, you talked about how some of us are raised to tuck away your feelings, don't bring them out, we don't talk about these things that...

Corean Canty (29:08.526)
Hmm.

Corean Canty (29:16.504)
Yeah, yeah.

Christine Passo (29:30.564)
when I was younger, if I was depressed or I was sad. I mean, come on, I was a teenager. I had insomnia. My hormones were all over the place. I was suffering like everybody else was suffering, right? And I was told to go to my room until I could come downstairs in a good mood. And so, you know, my parents didn't think that they were teaching me to isolate, but it did, right?

Corean Canty (29:37.794)
Yeah. Yeah.

Corean Canty (29:54.06)
Right, right.

Christine Passo (29:55.078)
And so these lessons where now we're realizing them to talk about them and to shed light on them and to teach younger generations or even people in our generation that haven't quite got there yet. It's like, listen, we just have to listen to each other. We have to take away the moment of judgment and measurement, right? Because that's the big thing. It's like you said, you get three days of bereavement and it's back to work. I Armire died almost three months ago and

Corean Canty (30:06.06)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (30:24.274)
I mean, my brain is still scrambled up. She was our daughter. You don't just stop and go back to work. mean, you try, but there's not measurement on grief. We just need to show a little compassion for that, because we're going to need it one day. We're going to be one of those people that need that support, and then we're going to realize what it takes. But hopefully, we've been able to recognize sooner.

Corean Canty (30:29.931)
Mm

Corean Canty (30:44.172)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (30:53.724)
show support to those who need it.

Corean Canty (30:56.044)
Yeah, and I think sometimes we don't know how to go about finding tools or recognizing that there are support groups and there are, you know, healthcare professionals and there are mental health professionals and there are many different ways to find the support that you need for the type of grief that you have. Like you said, there are many different types of grief.

Christine Passo (31:20.702)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (31:23.682)
And I know that you're still kind of raw in your journey of your most recent kind of big grief is what I call it. I think a lot of people out there understand how much family includes our pets and how close we are to the little fur creatures that actually are the ones that show us what unconditional love really looks like. And so as you've been on your journey, are there any...

tools or things that you found or advice that you have for someone who may be in it right now and they just they just don't know where to start.

Christine Passo (32:03.336)
would first say, accept that you're really upset and let that be okay. You know, kind of going to your mantra, it's okay. You are grieving and you don't have to prove your feelings to anybody. Like, that is so important, because we do so often, when not everybody shows up for us in the way that we hope, we feel like we have to prove why we're grieving or wear that mask instead of grieving. And so, finding those select people that you can share with, that you can

talk about your loved one with, that they ask about your loved one, right? That's another thing people are afraid to ask when all you want to do is talk about them, because it's healing, it's therapy, it's not ignoring that they ever existed. Because that happens, right? When somebody dies unexpectedly.

Corean Canty (32:43.224)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (32:55.152)
human, animal, know, anybody that you love, right? Any heartbeat that you love when they die unexpectedly. And typically that's partnered with trauma, right? So then you have that alongside. I just forgot where I was going with this, but you will have people that don't understand.

Corean Canty (33:06.35)
Mm

Corean Canty (33:18.36)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (33:18.598)
and won't get it. And it's so isolating in that point that then it makes you feel alone.

Corean Canty (33:24.28)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (33:29.826)
Like they're afraid to hurt your feelings or they're afraid to make it sad by bringing them up or because of their own uncomfortableness or awkward feeling of like, don't know what I should say or what I should do. And so we're really good at avoidance. We learned that early in life, right? A lot of the times we were raised for that, not recognizing that it can end up putting us in these very isolated situations.

Christine Passo (33:56.466)
Yeah. Yeah. absolutely. I mean, and everybody does it. I mean, okay, I shouldn't say everybody. That's a really big word. That's a really big word. That's like saying forever. But, you know, it's like, it's, it is, it really, really is. and I wish I could remember the point that I was trying to make when I talked about the unexpected, cause it, it, it was really going somewhere important and maybe it'll come back to me. but you know, advice to other Grievers is just make sure that you are doing

Corean Canty (34:04.105)
Yeah. Yeah. It's common. It's a common thing.

Christine Passo (34:25.746)
what you feel you need to do, right? Because one day you might have no appetite. mean, this is kind of goes back to that, what I wrote and read in the beginning. It's not enough sleep and too much sleep. It's, you know, wanting to be so grateful that this person was in your life. I remembered now what I was going to say. So, and it's really important that, so when there's an unexpected death, what happens is it's a complete shock that you think, was it all a dream?

You know, this being that I loved on earth that gave so much to me an hour ago was doing this and now they're gone forever. It is, you know, it's a shock, feeling of shock and that trauma. And it's so confusing because your heart and your brain are not operating on the same wavelength, right? Your brain is like, they're gone.

and your heart's like, what the heck just happened? And so honoring that confusion, honoring what I call unconscious neglect, right? Because you're not in a space to fully understand. So having that select group of people is so incredibly important. And just really answering to yourself.

Corean Canty (35:17.474)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (35:26.174)
Mm, mm -hmm.

Corean Canty (35:38.733)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (35:38.854)
and saying this is what I need. And you know what? A friend, a new friend who I met on LinkedIn, sent me a meditation that is specifically for grieving pets and humans.

And it was so incredibly beautiful. It's on my website, should anybody be interested, but it was such an amazing experience for me to do that meditation and practice that I did it a few times. And it helped to teach me what that loved one taught me, which we think we know until we can really narrow it down. And it's a really beautiful experience. And it's all part of helping you grieve and heal.

Corean Canty (36:08.366)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (36:19.038)
I love that. And we'll definitely link to that in the show notes for anyone who may be in need of that specific meditation right now. Yeah. And I think you bring up a really good point about sometimes our hearts and our minds take a minute to catch up with each other, right? Especially if you tend to be a very logical person and then you're unexpectedly hit with something that is very, very emotional. And we live in a world of

Christine Passo (36:25.35)
Awesome. Awesome.

Corean Canty (36:50.176)
logic being valued over emotions, right? And sometimes that makes us feel guilty for feeling bad or feeling like it's a sign of some sort of weakness when really there's so much strength in allowing yourself to feel what you feel.

Christine Passo (36:51.988)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Christine Passo (37:07.134)
There is so much. And you know what? My brain just had break the stigma, going right across it, because that's why we fear it. That's why we think that we shouldn't have all these emotions. This is why we think after three days of grieving somebody who is extremely close to us, mourning for them for three days that we should be able to go back to work. It's all this stigma of leading with our feelings and where we really are. I mean,

The problems that that causes in our individual lives, unresolved grief, unresolved regret, right? When we don't focus on them and really understand them, they are going to haunt us for the rest of our lives. And I say haunt because it will knock on your door when you don't want it to and invade you, right? It's baggage. It's baggage that goes unclaimed.

Corean Canty (37:56.866)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (38:02.226)
And it will wreak havoc on you. I mean, it really, really will. I mean, you talk about people that are in one job that there was in a toxic environment, right? And now they're in a new job and it's like, I'm trying to change my ways, but I came from this kind of a work environment. And so really until they unpack everything that happened there. And this is something that I've learned also, Corean, which is when you unpack it, figure out what you learned.

like take some kind of positives that you learn, because that helps to uncover all of that and resolve. And I mean, some things, right, they might come up first for our emotions. Like we said, I mean, we can't fix everything, but we can certainly train our brain and our heart to redirect, because now we know, right? We've resolved it. We know we have the awareness, that self -awareness that hits on so many levels. I mean, it's...

Corean Canty (38:29.091)
Hmm.

Corean Canty (38:35.967)
Mm

Corean Canty (38:48.344)
Yeah. Yeah.

Christine Passo (38:59.863)
It's a lot. mean...

Corean Canty (38:59.918)
We get to build the tool belts to take care of ourselves. So we learn a little bit each time we go through something in life of how to take care of ourselves a little bit better if we allow ourselves to be open to it and be aware of it. Because life's gonna life, like it just is. There's no way around it. There's no way avoiding it. We all need to learn the tools. I think one of the biggest things that we touched on in all of this talk of grief today is the fact that many times

We don't allow the person to talk about it. We don't bring it up. We don't get to honor and have the good memories. And my best friend, she actually had started a Facebook group called Angel Light. I'll put that in the show notes too for anybody who needs it. Because I'm at the age where a lot of my friends have already lost their parents or particularly as women, our mothers, and people don't.

really want to talk about or celebrate it. So it's a place where when those dates come up, because we can forget and kind of push it out of our minds, but then you look at the calendar and it's the date and you remember. And so how can we hold space for each other on those days when nobody else may not realize that you're at work. Nobody knows what the date is and what it means to you and why today you're a little off or you're feeling sad or it's hard or you just can't do it. So she created this community where we can all support each other.

and help each other get through those days that are the hardest of the year, because they are the days that remind us of what we lost. And I think we just need more of that. We need more communities and more support systems where we recognize, like you said, we're going to miss them forever. It's a journey. It's a healing journey forever. And so how do we surround ourselves with the people, find the right resources and tools to make sure that we have the support we need when we need it?

Christine Passo (40:22.835)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (40:48.648)
Yeah, that's so important. I love hearing that your friend created that support group. It's so pivotal to so many people in their process, and forever, right? I mean, so first, I have not honored the loss of your father. It's interesting. The age of nine, I don't know if you have found this. I know a lot of people in my life that lost parents when they were nine.

Corean Canty (40:58.637)
Mm

Christine Passo (41:14.896)
And I'm talking like generations above me. it's actually, there's something with that number maybe just in my universe, but I just wanted to hold space for you and that loss that you've had for so long and to lose a parent at that age, you're so incredibly impressionable. And I'm sure that you've heard this, that there may always be a space within you that stays nine, right?

Corean Canty (41:42.376)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Christine Passo (41:43.676)
because that's a lot of trauma at age nine. You're not old enough to understand what any of it means. And so, you know, there are probably, there may be things. I mean, the people that I know, there are certain things that they do. It's like, you're nine right now. Okay. I need to adjust myself for you because that's just the reality of it.

Corean Canty (41:50.029)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (41:55.239)
yeah.

Yeah.

Corean Canty (42:02.893)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (42:04.464)
And I also wanted to say that I met somebody on LinkedIn a year ago and we were trying to set up a meeting and there was only one day I saw nothing was on his calendar. And he said, I can't do that day. He said, I take that, that day off every year to honor my mother who passed away, you know, so many years ago. He's like, I always make sure I'm around who I need to be around. And I was like, my God, I love that so much. And so important. And that's where that part, right? Like honoring ourselves instead of lot relying on everybody else to recognize.

Corean Canty (42:21.538)
Mm -hmm.

Corean Canty (42:25.236)
yes, yes.

Corean Canty (42:32.919)
Yes.

Christine Passo (42:34.358)
because they probably, you they may not.

Corean Canty (42:37.538)
Yes. Thank you for holding space for me. That is very true. It does come up, especially now going through what I'm going through with my mother. A lot of things I couldn't process as a child. like, you know, it all comes up. But also thank you for sharing that story because I think more of us need to, like number one, use your time off of work. Please take your PTO days just for wellbeing in general. They're there for a reason. We are not machines. We are humans. But take the day for yourself.

It's so important. We need to do more of that. I'm like, I'm a big believer. Anytime anybody's ever reported to me, would constantly push them to at least take your birthday off. That's the only real holiday. Like that's celebrate your life, but this is another form of celebrating life. Like take those days off so you can not only celebrate your life, but the life of those who you want to celebrate, who you love, who you honor, who you miss. I think that's great.

Christine Passo (43:19.678)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (43:32.712)
Yeah. And there is another thing about grief that I have found really interesting. A friend texted me a few months ago, or a couple of weeks ago, and said, I'm sure it's hard navigating your new normal. And I really had to think about that for a minute, and I'm like, there is no normal. I mean, there was the life that we had, the four of us, with Maya, and now it's how...

Corean Canty (43:45.614)
Mm -hmm.

Corean Canty (43:52.878)
Mmm.

Corean Canty (44:00.002)
Yeah. No.

Christine Passo (44:00.328)
There is no normal anymore. Like there really isn't. Maybe in three years there might be, but there is no normal because life has that way. Like you said, it's going to keep rolling. It's going to keep throwing us punches. It's going to allow us to celebrate and it's going to absolutely traumatize us. And so the only normal is what you have right in front of you right now. Like that's it. And yeah. Yes.

Corean Canty (44:14.595)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (44:21.602)
Yeah. It's just, there's seasons and seasons will change. Yeah. trust me in this Atlanta humidity that it's been, it's been a lot. So I definitely am looking forward to fall a lot. And I think also you've been like so great in like setting up segues today. I think that is a great segue.

Christine Passo (44:28.284)
Yep. And I can't wait for follow -up, by the way.

Christine Passo (44:38.108)
Mm -mm.

Christine Passo (44:42.397)
Yes.

Corean Canty (44:49.686)
for us to get into some of the funner questions that I like to ask as we wind up the podcast. But before that, I do want to thank you for coming and talking about a topic that sometimes is really hard to talk about, especially when you're still raw in your own grief, in your own journey, and for doing this work to help others and dedicating your life to help other people make their lives better and choose to the lives that they want to live.

Christine Passo (44:52.964)
Okay.

Corean Canty (45:16.918)
I think that now more than ever, this work is so important and I am so grateful to have a partner in you on this journey to help others. So thank you. Thank you so much for that.

Christine Passo (45:27.836)
thank you. I honestly feel like it's a privilege. mean, it's a privilege for me to have conversations with other people about what they're vulnerable about, they're scared for, what they can't let go of. I mean, that's a privilege to be in that seat. And I know you feel that too. And that honor in itself is overwhelmingly.

Corean Canty (45:44.11)
Mm. Mm -hmm.

Christine Passo (45:51.974)
superb for me. don't, I mean, I can't think of another word, but thank you so much for allowing this time and space, but let's have some fun now.

Corean Canty (45:59.21)
Yes, yes. could end… and talking about fall, I think that's one of the reasons it was such a great segue because one of the questions I love to ask people, because those who know me know I love all things cozy. So what is your current cozy?

Christine Passo (46:11.346)
Okay.

Christine Passo (46:15.314)
You know, I realized it today and I took Zoe, she's my other shell team. So, I work from home, obviously. I'm home with her all day. And my cozy now is going outside with Zoe because now the temperature is decreasing a little bit, so we can spend more than like just potty time outside. And we just sit there together, right?

Corean Canty (46:30.678)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (46:36.402)
We sit on the patio and we listen to the birds. You want to watch her little nose as it's sniffing and you can hear the ruffling of the leaves from the wind. I live by the coast, so it's always windy here. And today I was listening to the crickets and I was like, my gosh, this is so incredibly cozy. And it also makes me feel like Maya is still with us. So there's an extra dose of cozy and love that just kind of hugs me from every angle.

Corean Canty (46:57.588)
yeah.

Christine Passo (47:05.522)
That's my current cozy. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna absorb every last minute of it. Yes. Yes.

Corean Canty (47:09.779)
Soak it all up, definitely. You might have answered this a little bit with the question that you, with the response that you just had, but we kind of thoroughly believe, and I know you believe this too, that life happens in the days and in our present days. Right now, what is currently your favorite part of the day?

Christine Passo (47:22.345)
Mm

Christine Passo (47:30.194)
Yeah, I mean...

I would say midday, right? Between 12 and 3 is my favorite time of the day. And actually, I might battle a little bit with the mornings, because that's my creative time, and there's something about quiet and writing or thinking and processing in the morning with my coffee, which I just love. I just love my coffee.

Corean Canty (47:45.122)
Mm.

Corean Canty (47:52.267)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (47:53.94)
but that quiet time that I can get in the middle of the day, whether I'm working out listening to a podcast, you know, which I highly recommend, Corean's podcast, but just that centering time, you know, just feels really right for me. And, and, yeah, I like that a lot.

Corean Canty (48:08.782)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (48:12.684)
I love that because it's the middle, right? It's so many, think how you start your day and how you end your day sets it up to have a really good middle. And so it says a lot that the middle part of your day is your favorite part of the day because it seems like you have your sacred brackets, which I call the beginning and end of your day in a good place.

Christine Passo (48:21.373)
Yeah.

Christine Passo (48:25.597)
yeah.

Christine Passo (48:31.026)
Yeah, I didn't think about that. I like that. I'm gonna go with that.

Corean Canty (48:33.942)
Yeah. So next question, do you have a feel good song?

Christine Passo (48:40.296)
You know what I do and it's so it's funny and it's been this way for years, but it's Miley Cyrus, the climb. I mean, she was probably like, what, eight years old when she wrote that song or her dad wrote it or whatever. And it seems silly, but it is so incredibly motivating. And it's all about the journey, right? Like look at, think of my mantra for this week, right? You're on an amazing journey. I'm on an amazing journey.

Corean Canty (48:50.936)
Corean Canty (48:58.786)
Mmm. Yeah.

Corean Canty (49:05.749)
Mm -hmm.

Christine Passo (49:06.514)
That song is about all of that. It's like, listen, don't sweat it right now, you know, cause it's just going to keep getting better. Or if it's not, then it still will get better at some point. And there's just something about that song that inspires me. mean, I have goosebumps, you know?

Corean Canty (49:13.582)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (49:20.974)
I'm gonna have to go pull that one back out and listen to it again because anything that just kind of helps you just get that little boost I think is great. And music does that for me so much.

Christine Passo (49:24.606)
Yep.

Christine Passo (49:32.272)
It's so true. I know, I think maybe I'll try to message Miley and let her know that I was on your show today and we'll tag her or something. It's so funny. you know, it's interesting, the songs that speak to us, right? And that one, just for years, has spoken the same thing. So don't know that means something. This journey is forever. Yeah.

Corean Canty (49:38.402)
Hahaha!

I

Corean Canty (49:45.42)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (49:51.406)
Yeah, it definitely is. Okay, so what is one thing that you do now for your 80 year old self?

Christine Passo (50:01.716)
be in the present. I spent 45 years not knowing how to be in the present. Actually, I'd even pushed it to 48 years, right? So I'm 53 now. And I spent all that time having no idea how to be present, because I was so overwhelmed with everything I was thinking and feeling. I was so inside myself and not in a selfish way, but I just felt like I didn't have an outlet to express.

I felt like I was all alone, isolated. And so, to honor my older self, 80 -year -old self who is living healthfully and enjoying life, just maybe sitting on a chair or going for a walk with friends or whatever it might be, it's knowing how to be present and really accept that.

Corean Canty (50:28.238)
you

Christine Passo (50:44.828)
and drink all the warmth, because there's so much of it. I mean, just this time we're having right now. I mean, I'm sweating a little bit because, you know, it's like my adrenaline's going. I feel purposeful, right? That's this moment. If I wasn't focused on the moment, I wouldn't be sweating with sweat on my back.

Corean Canty (50:47.073)
Mm.

Corean Canty (50:53.986)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (50:57.411)
Mm

Corean Canty (51:02.83)
So it's so good though. It's so right. Like because that's what's going to happen. We're going to look back on the moment. So we're either going to look back on all the moments we regret and wish we would have shown up to, or we're going to look back on all the moments and enjoy the memories. Yes.

Christine Passo (51:19.796)
Yes. Yes. And I don't want to do that anymore. 48 years is long enough, right? We suffer and then we can make that choice. We don't want to suffer anymore. Nope, no more.

Corean Canty (51:23.596)
Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. We get to choose. We get to choose. Okay. So my last question is through it all, how do you remember to live?

Christine Passo (51:39.89)
You know, lately I would say all I have to do is think about Maya Ray, my dog. And I'll tell you why. Because that dog, I'll tell you what, she was a, she was nothing but energy. She lived life to its absolute fullest. She demanded your attention all of the time, right? She'd be asleep and you'd move. She'd be awake and demand your attention. I mean, she was just in everything all of the time. But then we'd go outside. She loved being outside.

Corean Canty (51:52.984)
Hmm.

Christine Passo (52:10.022)
and she would just lay there. And I was thinking this today when I was outside with Zoe. I was like, there's a dog barking in the, you know, in the other neighborhood. And was like, Maya would have gone like this. And like, I hear that dog.

And then the crickets would be going and she'd be like, yep, I hear the crickets. And you could watch her head as these sounds were happening and she's just acknowledging them. She's acknowledging that she hears them, but she's not getting crazy. And then she just, you know, go like this with her paws and just watch the bird that's at the bird feeder, you know? And she taught me so much about life and how to live it for the day. And that's what I'm focusing on now. I mean, the amazing lessons that I learned from her.

far exceed what I ever thought. And a lot of that is thanks to that meditation I told you about. But I tell ya, we miss a lot of lessons in this life. We miss a lot. And now I'm so thankful that I'm not missing them anymore.

Corean Canty (52:57.976)
Yeah.

Corean Canty (53:02.136)
you

Corean Canty (53:06.63)
that's so beautiful. Children and animals, they can teach us so much about how to just show up for it.

Christine Passo (53:13.192)
Yep, yep, it's the best. It's raw, it's rare, there's no filter, right? It's just, and we're like, yeah, yes. Yeah, just be.

Corean Canty (53:17.671)
Mm -hmm. Just be. Just be. It's like just be.

Corean Canty (53:25.944)
that's the perfect note to end on. So Christine, tell everyone how they can connect with you, how they can find you, how they can learn a little bit more about what you do.

Christine Passo (53:35.134)
Great. So, the easiest way to connect with me is on my website, which is ChristinePasso .com. It's the full spelling of my name as here on the screen. look! There it is!

Corean Canty (53:43.999)
Yeah

Christine Passo (53:45.438)
Christine Passo, www christinepasso.com You can get a link to my LinkedIn page there. You can be linked to my YouTube page and also my Instagram. So please let's talk. I'm always open and available to just have a chat. Like let's just get to know each other. I mean, that's the gift of life, right? Is to learn from everybody. Yes. Yes.

Corean Canty (54:03.512)
Yeah, yeah, build real community. thank you. And I will put all of that in the show notes. Thank you again for sharing in this conversation with me today.

Christine Passo (54:15.1)
Thank you so much. adore you. I especially adore you because you're a Capricorn. But that's all right. Cheers to the goats and just please keep smiling and being you, Corean, because you're doing, you're spreading, you know, just authenticity and a joy that I know a lot of people are picking up on and I know I am. So thank you for being you.

Corean Canty (54:18.922)
Yay! Cheers to the goats!

Corean Canty (54:35.278)
Thank you.